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English Warrior · Jul 22, 2009, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Theocrat

I support the BNP and find it humorous how uninformed some of you are. The BNP is the last bastion of hope for the United Kingdom, and should be applauded for their desire to protect the sovereign state.

Completely agree, people just seem to have a stereotypical image of the BNP being racist.....

makosi · Jul 22, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

Completely agree, people just seem to have a stereotypical image of the BNP being racist.....

Yep. And that stereotype comes from the media, which is why Britain has informally shifted its political status from a democratic constitutional monarchy to a downright mediacracy. In other words, run by the media. Sad.

It's a fact that the BNP does include racists but not every member and supporter is. Many of them are simply campaigning to preserve British culture and values by resisting immigration and multi-culturalism. It's not something *I* agree with but it's valid.

People are too quick to believe the News of the World and The Sun but the articles are often as real as the young lady's breasts on page 3.

zwei2stein · Jul 23, 2009, 10:40 AM // 10:40

If you want to fight them, keep your integrity intact and don't get as low as to make childish pranks/lies and taunts. It will not solve anything and it only makes you look like a lil trool with too much free time.

Besides, who knows, YOU could have tipped ballance for some hater which would go from words to actions based on your taunting. I sure his victim (or anyone being 'hated' by em) would not appreciate a tiniest bit of what you did there.

PS: Freedom of speech means that you get to hear stuff you will disagree with. That is it's price and it is fair price.

bhavv · Jul 23, 2009, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

Its easy to call the BNP "The Big Bad Racist Party". Their members are racist and so are their suppoerters, but pretending to be a foreigner just to annoy them and make a big argument to show off about on a fourum doesn't make you much smarter.

I am a foreigner. Just not a Black African one by racial background, yet my mother was born and raised in Malawi

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So I can say I am Black if I want.

Put 2 + 2 together. 'Bhav' is not a Caucasian name.

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

PS: Freedom of speech means that you get to hear stuff you will disagree with. That is it's price and it is fair price.

But freedom of speech in the UK is not the same as in the US. We have laws to disallow hate speech towards Race, Religion, Sexuality and Gender, but these laws have been too forgiving on Nick Griffin who has breached them many times.

We even have libel laws, prohibiting speech which would damage the reputation of someone else if what is said were lies.

If you are to lie to damage someone elses reputation, or that of a company, then you can be found guilty for this and fined, and your free speech argument will not get you anywhere.

I do not believe in freedom of speech to spread hatred or intolerance of other races. This is not a right that anybody is entitled to.

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Originally Posted by makosi

Yep. And that stereotype comes from the media, which is why Britain has informally shifted its political status from a democratic constitutional monarchy to a downright mediacracy. In other words, run by the media. Sad.

It's a fact that the BNP does include racists but not every member and supporter is. Many of them are simply campaigning to preserve British culture and values by resisting immigration and multi-culturalism. It's not something *I* agree with but it's valid.

People are too quick to believe the News of the World and The Sun but the articles are often as real as the young lady's breasts on page 3.

Incorrect. The stereotype comes from the actions of the BNP themselves. THe party itself is led by a strongly racist man with many illegal and racist policies and manifestos written over previous years, yet these are largely ignored. Not everyone tht votes for them is racist true, but the majority of supporters that are drawn to the BNP are racist people, just as much as Nick Griffin and other employees of the BNP themselves. The core policies and the people in the BNP, and the actual party itself is a racist party, regardless of the lies that Nick Griffin will attempt to speak when given the chance. I urge everyone to watch the BBC's BNP Exposed, the undercover agent documentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DdFiV7aT8

THese are not media lies, I doubt that anthing in this documentary was a lie made up by the media, this is the truth. Just because our current media has the fredom to cover and expose such truths, the BNP's are purposefully stating them to be lying. This in fact is a lie and propaganda by the BNP in the first place to try and make them look better then they actually are, as are all these ridiculous outcrys about any form of Media lies about the party.

The BNP are responsible for their own actions, the media is free to cover, document, and report this if they choose.

Also, dont forget that many many BNP supporters will say 'I am not a racist', such as the one screenshotted.

What I do is engage them and provoke them without saying anything racial myself other then 'I am ....', and before you know, there are plenty of racist obscenities coming from a person who claims to not be a racist.

makosi · Jul 23, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

I was saying that not all BNP members and followers are racist bigots, and I made a point of saying that some were. The issue is that people make generalizations about the BNP based on isolated, media-blown incidences, but isn't it hypocritical to brandish the party wholly as racist, when racism is a generalization in itself?

I've seen the BBC documentary before. It's true and it's horrid but it's one-sided in the broader scale of things. People just have to be more inquisitive and open minded and make decisions for themselves and not what their parents or newspapers tell them.

I choose not to vote altogether at election times due to the misinformation, lies and bias being thrown around, and you can call me paranoid or over-skeptical for that but I don't abosrb nonsense without questioning it a dozen times.

bhavv · Jul 23, 2009, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I havnt voted once yet, my interests really only came after the BNP won the two Euro seats, and I began reading into it after that.

I know that I personally do not like what i see or have read about the party, and feel like opposing it.

This isnt due to media lies, this is due to me being morally outraged by the things that the BNP say themselves, particularly Nick Griffin and the manifestos and ideology of the party.

I can see nothing good or likable about them and do not understand the reasons that would make a person want to support them, particularly if reading their 2005 manifesto:

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"The BNP is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring the overwhelmingly white make-up of the British population that existed prior to 1948." (BNP consitution, section 1:2b)

Then this year, they simply rephrased this to 'Ban Immigration and let asylum seekers go elsewhere, offer money to minorities to leave the country and deport minorities who commit crimes'. I cannot prevent myself from being offended and outraged by such a manifesto, and dont care how they chose to word it this year to take advantage of the UK's current economic crisis.

The core policies and beliefs of the party have not changed, just the wording of the policy. Just like you cannot make a Leapord change its spots.

laksa and curry · Jul 24, 2009, 11:02 AM // 11:02

This thread is interesting. Start loving stop hating the world is a small place peace^^

Malice Black · Jul 25, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Vote BNP or welcome Sharia Law to the UK...hard choice?

Snow Bunny · Jul 25, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Theocrat

I support the BNP and find it humorous how uninformed some of you are. The BNP is the last bastion of hope for the United Kingdom, and should be applauded for their desire to protect the sovereign state.

You better be serious, because as a North Irish ex-pat in the United States, I fully agree with your statement here.

Anyone slamming on the BNP shut seriously RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off.

bhavv · Jul 25, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34

The Labour Government made a huge mistake by allowing Sharia Courts in the UK.

But the BNP just used this fact, and muslims as a scapegoat to gain more wotes.

Their beef isnt really just with muslims, but with all minorities living in the UK, but they decided to use muslims as a scapegoat to gain more support this year.

If you are against any form of Sharia Law in the UK, then I would rather suggest rediricting yourself to support the Ex Muslim council of Britain, who are campaigning against Sharia Law in the UK, and for the rights of women in Muslim families worldwide:

http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/

Their introductory video is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUBLfcGcN5Y

Also here is a funny parody of the BNP - the BPP, British Patriotic Party:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33KrP...eature=related

English Warrior · Jul 25, 2009, 11:01 PM // 23:01

You are obsessed with the BNP being apparently only racist and concentrating on being racist, you are so uniformed u forget this is a political party not a group of hardcore racists.

bhavv · Jul 25, 2009, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

You are obsessed with the BNP being apparently only racist and concentrating on being racist, you are so uniformed u forget this is a political party not a group of hardcore racists.

http://www.zimbio.com/member/Boatang...ffin+but+their

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The BNP are not racist says Nick Griffin - but what about their constitution?

Interesting stuff indeed afoot at Fascist HQ. The Equality and Human Rights Commission wants to bring legal action against the BNP because its constitution "discriminates on the grounds of race and colour".

Many would take this as a given, taking the BNP for the nasty little bunch of fascist, bigoted, racists tossers they are. But Nick Griffin decides to do a politician on the subject and instead of defending his stance, he skews his party line.

ethnic groups who need special protection such as the English in their own country, who are now second class citizens were entitled to discriminate on that basis and not on the grounds of colour.

We are not discriminating on grounds of colour.

Indeed. There is one small flaw in this argument however, apart from being a party of the brotherhood of the British Isles that appears to be only really concerned with the English in this instance. The BNP constitution - a pdf of which can be read on their site here or a blog has a version here - defines it's membership within Section 2 part 1 as:

Membership of the BNP is strictly denned within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being 'Indigenous Caucasian’

Section 1 part 2(b) clearly states the party

is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples...committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring...the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

I challenge anyone to tell me that this is not racist.

Also:

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg07.htm

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Nick Griffin (Party Chairman) Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.

John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

Hardcore or not, it is still a very strongly racist party, and I am a minority living in the UK and oppose them as they are a party who would like to have me removed from the country in which I were born and have lived my whole life.

DreamRunner · Jul 30, 2009, 09:59 AM // 09:59

The BNP is the swing back from all of the left-wing PC multicultural bullshit that has been popular for the last decade or so. In the UK, they're a black fireman group to help other black fireman but if you wanted to create a white fireman group, you can be called a racist. But if you are white and have been discriminated against because of your skin colour, it is "reverse" racism.

around · Jul 30, 2009, 11:58 AM // 11:58

You're all twats posting in a twat thread.

I just challenge the BNP's presumption in daring to say that I am not a British citizen, when I am far more deserving than most people whom the BNP would define as ethnically 'British'.

EDIT: Dreamrunner: the Association of Black Police Officers (which I believe is the example you're thinking of) allows members of any race to apply to join, as long as they subscribe to the same cause (which is that black people are disproportionally underrepresented in the police force). The BNP don't let anyone non-white join. So even if I wanted to join the BNP and get myself kicked out of the UK, I couldn't - and ethnic minorities can be racist with the best of them.

mind you, some of those 'repatration payments' look quite tasty.

MarkusParkus · Jul 31, 2009, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I love youtube. I hate the BNP.

So I decided to to be a Black Englishman, while using quotes from this article to discuss. The whole discussion was very very long, taking much baiting, poking, and provocation of defending myself as a Black Englishman and belitiling him for not accepting or agreeing with my personal belief.

and the BNP should somehow be disallowed from using youtube to spread their propaganda, but this wont ever happen due to freedom of speech I know

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It sounds to me that the OP doesnt actually live in the UK ..
or just wanted a argument with somebody...
You could 'bait, poke, provoke And belittle' Any political party member/ or supporter/human into an argument.

OP are you saying to ban muslim videos ??
Are you saying to ban labour partys videos?... if your saying to ban the BNPs videos And campaign work you will have to ban labours 'Love All Foreigners' PROPAGANDA.
Personally I totally agree with Bnp's political stance.. we all know they will never get into power because of all the liberal leftys around (OP)
Glad To See A Couple Other Posters In This Thread With Some Sense Anyways

Markus.

DreamRunner · Aug 03, 2009, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by around

EDIT: Dreamrunner: the Association of Black Police Officers (which I believe is the example you're thinking of) allows members of any race to apply to join, as long as they subscribe to the same cause (which is that black people are disproportionally underrepresented in the police force). The BNP don't let anyone non-white join. So even if I wanted to join the BNP and get myself kicked out of the UK, I couldn't - and ethnic minorities can be racist with the best of them.

mind you, some of those 'repatration payments' look quite tasty.

My bad, you are right about the National Black Police Association. I was referring towards them. But I don't understand how these groups are segregating themselves from the rest of society, when they're especially trying to squash racism in the first place.

You are right that white people can join the NBPA, but they cannot become full members. Commander Ali Dizaei, President of the NBPA, said "...a white person could become an 'associate member'". It is ironic that ethnic minorities are segregating themselves more and more, and creating a larger gap between ethnic groups. But, by not allowing white police officers full membership, why shouldn't groups like BNP be outraged? The BNP is just the start of a backlash against groups that fight under the banner of being against racism, however by denying an entire ethnic group full membership to help towards their cause. It is not wonder some people applauded David Davies for his speech towards the NBPA, calling them racists.

Just so you know, it is actually forbidden to have or create a White Police Association.

pamelf · Aug 03, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I think the most shocking thing in that entire discussion was the appalling spelling shown by both parties.

Faer · Aug 03, 2009, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by around

mind you, some of those 'repatration payments' look quite tasty.

Not as tasty as KFC, amirite?

pumpkin pie · Aug 03, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

if you don't want other "race"/people to be in your country, DON'T COLONIZED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

oh, on topic: not all BNP members are racist or maybe non of them are, I suppose, they are like all "other group of people" who wants to have things done their way!

Etta · Aug 03, 2009, 01:20 PM // 13:20

The Empire will rise again!